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punashcAhU(hva)yamAnaH prativaktavyaH- parisaMvatsaro [4] bhavAn shikShasva tAvat; na tvayAgururupAsito nUnam, athavA paryAptametAvatte; sakRudapi hi parikShepikaM nihataM nihatamAhuritinAsya yogaH kartavyaH katha~jcit|  

punashcAhU(hva)yamAnaH prativaktavyaH- parisaMvatsaro [4] bhavAn shikShasva tAvat; na tvayAgururupAsito nUnam, athavA paryAptametAvatte; sakRudapi hi parikShepikaM nihataM nihatamAhuritinAsya yogaH kartavyaH katha~jcit|  

apyevaM shreyasA saha vigRuhya vaktavyamityAhureke; natvevaM jyAyasA saha vigrahaM prashaMsantikushalAH||20||  

apyevaM shreyasA saha vigRuhya vaktavyamityAhureke; natvevaM jyAyasA saha vigrahaM prashaMsantikushalAH||20||  

 

Assembly may also be of two types - learned and ignorant. Again from the other point of view, it is of three types – friendly, neutral and prejudiced.  

Assembly may also be of two types - learned and ignorant. Again from the other point of view, it is of three types – friendly, neutral and prejudiced.  

One should not disucss anything, or anything cannot be discussed in the the assembly of learned prejudiced persons endowed with general and specific knowledge, powerful expressions,discussion techniques and assembly of ignorant prejudiced persons.  

One should not disucss anything, or anything cannot be discussed in the the assembly of learned prejudiced persons endowed with general and specific knowledge, powerful expressions,discussion techniques and assembly of ignorant prejudiced persons.  

In the ignorant friendly or ignorant neutral assembly, however, one may discuss with another who is devoid of learning, understanding, discussion techniques, and is not famous and is despised by great men. While discussing with such a person one should use long sentences having incomprehensible and long aphorisms.One should ridicule the opponent again and again with body guestures before the gathering and should not give opportunity to him to speak, while using difficult words one should remind the opponent that he is not speaking or his proposition does not stand. Again calling him one should say- you should learn for one year, perhaps you have not learnt from a preceptor or it is sufficient for you. The opponent, having defeated once, is always considered defeated and should not be entertained again. Some say that the same method is applicable in case of hostile discussion with a superior opponent but, in fact, confrontation with a superior person is not at all desirable. [20]

In the ignorant friendly or ignorant neutral assembly, however, one may discuss with another who is devoid of learning, understanding, discussion techniques, and is not famous and is despised by great men. While discussing with such a person one should use long sentences having incomprehensible and long aphorisms.One should ridicule the opponent again and again with body guestures before the gathering and should not give opportunity to him to speak, while using difficult words one should remind the opponent that he is not speaking or his proposition does not stand. Again calling him one should say- you should learn for one year, perhaps you have not learnt from a preceptor or it is sufficient for you. The opponent, having defeated once, is always considered defeated and should not be entertained again. Some say that the same method is applicable in case of hostile discussion with a superior opponent but, in fact, confrontation with a superior person is not at all desirable. [20]

 

प्रत्यवरेणतुसहसमानाभिमतेनवाविगृह्यजल्पतासुहृत्परिषदिकथयितव्यम्,अथवाऽप्युदासीनपरिषद्यवधानश्रवणज्ञानविज्ञानोपधारणवचनप्रतिवचनशक्तिसम्पन्नायांकथयताचावहितेनपरस्यसाद्गुण्यदोषबलमवेक्षितव्यं, समवेक्ष्यचयत्रैनंश्रेष्ठंमन्येतनास्यतत्रजल्पंयोजयेदनाविष्कृतमयोगंकुर्वन्; यत्रत्वेनमवरंमन्येततत्रैवैनमाशुनिगृह्णीयात्| तत्रखल्विमेप्रत्यवराणामाशुनिग्रहेभवन्त्युपायाः; तद्यथा- श्रुतहीनंमहतासूत्रपाठेनाभिभवेत्, विज्ञानहीनंपुनःकष्टशब्देनवाक्येन, वाक्यधारणाहीनमाविद्धदीर्घसूत्रसङ्कुलैर्वाक्यदण्डकैः, प्रतिभाहीनंपुनर्वचनेनैकविधेनानेकार्थवाचिना  , वचनशक्तिहीनमर्धोक्तस्यवाक्यस्याक्षेपेणअविशारदमपत्रपणेन, कोपनमायासनेन, भीरुंवित्रासनेन, अनवहितंनियमनेनेति| एवमेतैरुपायैःपरमवरमभिभवेच्छीघ्रम्||२१||  

प्रत्यवरेणतुसहसमानाभिमतेनवाविगृह्यजल्पतासुहृत्परिषदिकथयितव्यम्,अथवाऽप्युदासीनपरिषद्यवधानश्रवणज्ञानविज्ञानोपधारणवचनप्रतिवचनशक्तिसम्पन्नायांकथयताचावहितेनपरस्यसाद्गुण्यदोषबलमवेक्षितव्यं, समवेक्ष्यचयत्रैनंश्रेष्ठंमन्येतनास्यतत्रजल्पंयोजयेदनाविष्कृतमयोगंकुर्वन्; यत्रत्वेनमवरंमन्येततत्रैवैनमाशुनिगृह्णीयात्| तत्रखल्विमेप्रत्यवराणामाशुनिग्रहेभवन्त्युपायाः; तद्यथा- श्रुतहीनंमहतासूत्रपाठेनाभिभवेत्, विज्ञानहीनंपुनःकष्टशब्देनवाक्येन, वाक्यधारणाहीनमाविद्धदीर्घसूत्रसङ्कुलैर्वाक्यदण्डकैः, प्रतिभाहीनंपुनर्वचनेनैकविधेनानेकार्थवाचिना  , वचनशक्तिहीनमर्धोक्तस्यवाक्यस्याक्षेपेणअविशारदमपत्रपणेन, कोपनमायासनेन, भीरुंवित्रासनेन, अनवहितंनियमनेनेति| एवमेतैरुपायैःपरमवरमभिभवेच्छीघ्रम्||२१||  

tatra khalvime pratyavarANAmAshu nigrahe bhavantyupAyAH; tadyathA- shrutahInaM mahatAsUtrapAThenAbhibhavet, vij~jAnahInaM punaH kaShTashabdena vAkyena,vAkyadhAraNAhInamAviddhadIrghasUtrasa~gkulairvAkyadaNDakaiH, pratibhAhInaMpunarvacanenaikavidhenAnekArthavAcinA [1] , vacanashaktihInamardhoktasya vAkyasyAkShepeNa [2] ,avishAradamapatrapaNena, kopanamAyAsanena, bhIruM vitrAsanena, anavahitaM niyamaneneti|  

tatra khalvime pratyavarANAmAshu nigrahe bhavantyupAyAH; tadyathA- shrutahInaM mahatAsUtrapAThenAbhibhavet, vij~jAnahInaM punaH kaShTashabdena vAkyena,vAkyadhAraNAhInamAviddhadIrghasUtrasa~gkulairvAkyadaNDakaiH, pratibhAhInaMpunarvacanenaikavidhenAnekArthavAcinA [1] , vacanashaktihInamardhoktasya vAkyasyAkShepeNa [2] ,avishAradamapatrapaNena, kopanamAyAsanena, bhIruM vitrAsanena, anavahitaM niyamaneneti|  

evametairupAyaiH paramavaramabhibhavecchIghram||21||  

evametairupAyaiH paramavaramabhibhavecchIghram||21||  

 

In a learned friendly or ignorant friendly assembly, one should initiate hostile discussion with an inferior or equal opponent.  

In a learned friendly or ignorant friendly assembly, one should initiate hostile discussion with an inferior or equal opponent.  

Or in a friendly neutral assembly having persons with attentive listening, learning, understanding abilities, power of discussion one should initiate discussion after carefully examining the strength and weakness of the opponent. If opponent is stronger then one should not continue discussion giving it up without any apparent sign; but where the opponent is weak he should be subdued immediately.  

Or in a friendly neutral assembly having persons with attentive listening, learning, understanding abilities, power of discussion one should initiate discussion after carefully examining the strength and weakness of the opponent. If opponent is stronger then one should not continue discussion giving it up without any apparent sign; but where the opponent is weak he should be subdued immediately.  

one devoid of carefulness should be defeated by imposing discipline.  

one devoid of carefulness should be defeated by imposing discipline.  

Thus by these means one should subdue the inferior opponent immediately. [21]

Thus by these means one should subdue the inferior opponent immediately. [21]

==== Summary of discussion technique ====

==== Summary of discussion technique ====